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<!--quoteo(post=101838:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:51 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 16 2010, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101837:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:43 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jun 16 2010, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101835:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:37 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 16 2010, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I wouldn't complain if we hired Brenly to manage, but I have a feeling he doesn't want the job, and I don't blame him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What gives you the idea that he wouldn't want the job?
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He turned down the Brewers job last year and was rumored to be approached for other opportunities in the past yet nothing came of any of it, so it seems as though he might be waiting for a perfect scenario to jump back into managing. The Cubs are a team in transition, with no clear direction, and it is hard for me to see Brenly jumping into a mess like this. Plus, Brenly has seen how quickly fortunes can turn on a dime here, and it is never pretty. After all, these are the Cubs.
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Is it confirmed that he turned down the Brewers job? I knew he got the interview, but I never heard anymore. I just figured he didn't get the offer.
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<!--quoteo(post=101865:date=Jun 17 2010, 06:32 AM:name=Giff)-->QUOTE (Giff @ Jun 17 2010, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101838:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:51 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 16 2010, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101837:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:43 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jun 16 2010, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101835:date=Jun 16 2010, 11:37 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 16 2010, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I wouldn't complain if we hired Brenly to manage, but I have a feeling he doesn't want the job, and I don't blame him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What gives you the idea that he wouldn't want the job?
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He turned down the Brewers job last year and was rumored to be approached for other opportunities in the past yet nothing came of any of it, so it seems as though he might be waiting for a perfect scenario to jump back into managing. The Cubs are a team in transition, with no clear direction, and it is hard for me to see Brenly jumping into a mess like this. Plus, Brenly has seen how quickly fortunes can turn on a dime here, and it is never pretty. After all, these are the Cubs.
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Is it confirmed that he turned down the Brewers job? I knew he got the interview, but I never heard anymore. I just figured he didn't get the offer.
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I could be wrong, but I just remember at the time reading that it was offered to him, but then he took a few days to think it over and then declined because of the lack of Brewers pitching depth.
And I guess I don't understand why Brenly would want to step into such a mess, not now or at the end of the season. This team is not expected to seriously turn things around anytime soon.
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<!--quoteo(post=101860:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Did Brenley win a ring because he was a great manager, or did Johnson and Schilling win rings because they were the two best pitchers in baseball?
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You could ask that same question about every manager who's ever won a WS. Every WS winner has had good players. Do you think a manager is going to carry his team all the way without great players?
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<!--quoteo(post=101860:date=Jun 17 2010, 06:21 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Did Brenley win a ring because he was a great manager, or did Johnson and Schilling win rings because they were the two best pitchers in baseball?
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You're just on Piniella's dick. Suck up.
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Give Ryno a chance. I don't want to see him in an Orioles cap (or any other cap for that matter). Piniella has said before he's a possible replacement.
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<!--quoteo(post=101871:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101860:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Did Brenley win a ring because he was a great manager, or did Johnson and Schilling win rings because they were the two best pitchers in baseball?
I'm not sold on Brenley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You could ask that same question about every manager who's ever won a WS. Every WS winner has had good players. Do you think a manager is going to carry his team all the way without great players?
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Tru dat.....but Brenley's sample size is very small, and I'm not sure that championship has anything to with him. To say we should hire him because he has a ring isn't enough for me. Baseball history is littered with mediocre managers who've won a ring. You don't have to look further than the south side to see that.
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<!--quoteo(post=101886:date=Jun 17 2010, 09:46 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101871:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101860:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Did Brenley win a ring because he was a great manager, or did Johnson and Schilling win rings because they were the two best pitchers in baseball?
I'm not sold on Brenley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You could ask that same question about every manager who's ever won a WS. Every WS winner has had good players. Do you think a manager is going to carry his team all the way without great players?
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Tru dat.....but Brenley's sample size is very small, and I'm not sure that championship has anything to with him. To say we should hire him because he has a ring isn't enough for me. Baseball history is littered with mediocre managers who've won a ring. You don't have to look further than the south side to see that.
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A ring is but one, not insignificant part of a managerial candidate's resume. His resume is a billion times better than Ryno's.
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tom, I agree with you; Brenly didn't win that ring because he pulled all the right strings, and <i>completely outfoxed</i> every other manager in the league. He had great players. He inherited a team that was already good.
Still, as I said in an earlier post, he had a pretty tough gig in AZ, and handled it pretty well.
And there's something to be said for guys like Joe Torre and Phil Jackson, and that type: yeah, they do have great players. But they win.
I don't think Brenly is Joe Magnificent. But I don't think any available manager is.
I just think he'd be better for the job than either Lou or Ryno.
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I just keep thinking there has to be a reason Brenley hasn't gotten another job since he was let go by the D-Backs. Maybe he is a terrible interviewer, maybe he's holding out for a lot of coin cause of the ring he won. Maybe it's the terrible porn-stache. I'm just not sold on him. I'd rather give Ryno a chance once we turn over the roster and get a little younger and see if he can spark something. I've had enough of the re-tred past success will equal a WS philosophy.
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<!--quoteo(post=101898:date=Jun 17 2010, 11:04 AM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 17 2010, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101886:date=Jun 17 2010, 09:46 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101871:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Jun 17 2010, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101860:date=Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 17 2010, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Did Brenley win a ring because he was a great manager, or did Johnson and Schilling win rings because they were the two best pitchers in baseball?
I'm not sold on Brenley.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You could ask that same question about every manager who's ever won a WS. Every WS winner has had good players. Do you think a manager is going to carry his team all the way without great players?
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Tru dat.....but Brenley's sample size is very small, and I'm not sure that championship has anything to with him. To say we should hire him because he has a ring isn't enough for me. Baseball history is littered with mediocre managers who've won a ring. You don't have to look further than the south side to see that.
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A ring is but one, not insignificant part of a managerial candidate's resume. His resume is a billion times better than Ryno's.
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I'm not completely sold on Ryno either.
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<!--quoteo(post=101907:date=Jun 17 2010, 12:04 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jun 17 2010, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->tom, I agree with you; Brenly didn't win that ring because he pulled all the right strings, and <i>completely outfoxed</i> every other manager in the league. He had great players. He inherited a team that was already good.
Still, as I said in an earlier post, he had a pretty tough gig in AZ, and handled it pretty well.
And there's something to be said for guys like Joe Torre and Phil Jackson, and that type: yeah, they do have great players. But they win.
I don't think Brenly is Joe Magnificent. But I don't think any available manager is.
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And I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just that the sample size is too small. He seemed to be at the right place at the right time.
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<!--quoteo(post=101789:date=Jun 16 2010, 06:27 PM:name=stevestonescigar)-->QUOTE (stevestonescigar @ Jun 16 2010, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101768:date=Jun 16 2010, 05:21 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jun 16 2010, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd love Brenly. I know he's Fella's main choice as well. I can't remember the last time I disagreed with Brenly on anything. He's always saying the same crap I'm thinking and I don't think he'd have the tolerance of some of this shit that Lou apparently does.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Couldn't agree more. I would love it.
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If we're losing Lou...Brenly has shown me way enough to give him the job.
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Brenly has a WS ring and doesn't appear to have gotten serious consideration for any managerial jobs since he was fired 6 years ago. I don't think that disqualifies him, but I think it says something.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena. ![[Image: ITgoyeg.png]](http://i.imgur.com/ITgoyeg.png)
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<!--quoteo(post=101935:date=Jun 17 2010, 01:40 PM:name=Kid)-->QUOTE (Kid @ Jun 17 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Brenly has a WS ring and doesn't appear to have gotten serious consideration for any managerial jobs since he was fired 6 years ago. I don't think that disqualifies him, but I think it says something.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It may not say anything more sinister than that he's priced himself out of the market because he's in a cushy job and already has a ring. For better or worse, he may have decided to be expensive.
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<!--quoteo(post=101937:date=Jun 17 2010, 02:53 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 17 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=101935:date=Jun 17 2010, 01:40 PM:name=Kid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid @ Jun 17 2010, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Brenly has a WS ring and doesn't appear to have gotten serious consideration for any managerial jobs since he was fired 6 years ago. I don't think that disqualifies him, but I think it says something.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It may not say anything more sinister than that he's priced himself out of the market because he's in a cushy job and already has a ring. For better or worse, he may have decided to be expensive.
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It's a cushy job, but one that can't pay him even 50% of what he'd make as a manager. Is it conceivable that it's something other than teams not being interested in him has kept him from getting a job? I guess it's possible for at least some open jobs. But since Brenly was fired from the Diamondbacks, the only teams to not have a managerial vacancy are the Braves, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Twins, & Cardinals. 80% (24/30) of teams have had an opening. I think it says something.
This is not some silly theory that's unsupported and deserves being mocked by photos of Xena.
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