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<!--quoteo(post=73338:date=Dec 30 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73336:date=Dec 30 2009, 08:51 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scarey, you sure are wasting a shitload of time posting about something you're so clearly wrong about.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ignore this, Scarey. Everything you've said is spot on.
Some folks (ruby, not BT) seem to think all relievers everywhere must be purchased. Oh, except Marmol, Guzman, Marshall....
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I never once said anything of the sort, it has nothing to do with being purchased. It has to do with having a blend in the bullpen of lefties and righties, as well as veterans and young arms. Signing Grabow, for the price Hendry did, was 100% the correct thing to do. If he signed another veteran reliever for the same, it was also be the right thing to do. However, he went with a 100% in house, cheap bullpen, it would be wrong; it would also be wrong if he went out and bought an entire bullpen of veteran relievers. Scarey is wrong, you are also wrong, it's really quite simple.
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<!--quoteo(post=73343:date=Dec 30 2009, 10:06 AM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73338:date=Dec 30 2009, 07:58 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 30 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73336:date=Dec 30 2009, 08:51 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scarey, you sure are wasting a shitload of time posting about something you're so clearly wrong about.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ignore this, Scarey. Everything you've said is spot on.
Some folks (ruby, not BT) seem to think all relievers everywhere must be purchased. Oh, except Marmol, Guzman, Marshall....
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I never once said anything of the sort, it has nothing to do with being purchased. It has to do with having a blend in the bullpen of lefties and righties, as well as veterans and young arms. Signing Grabow, for the price Hendry did, was 100% the correct thing to do. If he signed another veteran reliever for the same, it was also be the right thing to do. However, he went with a 100% in house, cheap bullpen, it would be wrong; it would also be wrong if he went out and bought an entire bullpen of veteran relievers. Scarey is wrong, you are also wrong, it's really quite simple.
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It sounds like we agree on the principle (mix of veterans and youngsters); we just disagree on THIS particular veteran. Grabow is nothing special. He's not even been as good as Bobby Howry, LaTroy Hawkins, Mike Remlinger, Scott Eyre, Mark Guthrie, etc. had been in the years before they became Cubs. And they all sure turned out well.
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I don't have a problem paying up for 2-3 established veteran relievers and having balance in the pen. The only problem I will have with that strategy is if it prevents us from adding someone in CF or 2B/SS. It shouldn't prevent us from being active, but it kind of has been a burden over the past 2 offseasons.
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Scarey...I do not have time to look and I know that you are really knowledgeable regarding the Cubs current minor league system. So my question is this....who are the top OF prospects in the system right now? I know there is Colvin and Burke, but beyond that who else is there?
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Brett Jackson (top pick in 2009) is on top of the list. A lot of folks around these parts would not include Colvin in the top 30 Cubs prospects at this time.
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<!--quoteo(post=73506:date=Dec 31 2009, 07:50 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73504:date=Dec 31 2009, 08:31 AM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Dec 31 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scarey...I do not have time to look and I know that you are really knowledgeable regarding the Cubs current minor league system. So my question is this....who are the top OF prospects in the system right now? I know there is Colvin and Burke, but beyond that who else is there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Brett Jackson (top pick in 2009) is on top of the list. A lot of folks around these parts would not include Colvin in the top 30 Cubs prospects at this time.
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Ace...don't say "a lot of folks". That's not taking ownership of your opinion.
You've got to start doing that...
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James Adduci could be a decent player. He gets on base pretty well and I believe can play all three outfield positions although I haven't heard much about how well he plays defense. He looks like a less effective Sam Fuld so he could maybe be a 4th or 5th outfielder at the major league level.
Brandon Guyer is a guy I'm really high on. Scouts rave about his defense in center field, he has decent plate discipline, and he's shown power potential. However, he's going to be 24 next year. Last year he started in AA and struggled so was demoted to A+ and dominated. He's going to have to go back to AA this year and put up some sick numbers to get a shot at making the bigs before Brett Jackson.
The guy we just acquired from the A's Matt Spencer actually would be on this list. He's known as a 1B/OF actually. He's a lefty and has put up fairly pedestrian numbers especially in the Florida State League which is supposed to be a hitters league. John Sickels just came out with his list of top 20 Cubs prospects and put him at #16.
There's a couple of the Korean guys that figure into the outfield. Most prominant is Dong-Yub Kim. He doesn't have any recorded stats because he only played in the rookie league last year, but he supposedly has corner outfielder power. He did struggle at rookie league however. Jae-hoon Ha has some potential too that he hasn't tapped into yet. However, the Cubs have been trying him out at catcher and it looks like they may keep him there. I think the most intriguing guy of the Asian imports is Kyung-min Na. He's a centerfielder the Cubs just signed to a big bonus. He has blazing speed, a great glove, and good contact ability. He only played in rookie ball as well. It will be interesting to see what they do this upcoming year.
Then there's some of the infielders that may switch to the outfield. They haven't tried either of them there yet, but I've heard that Junior Lake or Hak-Ju Lee could be centerfielders in the future. I understand that Lake's numbers don't impress because he is compared with Starlin Castro all the time. They play the same position and are the same age. But, Lake still has projectability and while he hasn't exactly been successful at the lower levels, he's holding his own. The other guy that could switch to centerfield is Logan Watkins. He actually has the ability to play at shortstop, but there's so many good players at the position that the Cubs have been trying him out at 2nd and CF. I think he of any of the three would be most likely to switch to centerfield.
Nelson Perez is a guy that has power potential as well. He struggled at Peoria last year and I would have probably left him off the list. But, he did very well at the Dominican Winter League. If he does well at A+ next year he will show up on people's radars.
If I were to give you a short list of guys to keep an eye on, it would probably be:
1. Brett Jackson
2. Kyler Burke
3. Brandon Guyer
4. Logan Watkins
5. Kyung-Min Na
I think these are the guys with the highest ceilings. What's interesting is all of these guys project as centerfielders. It's a big reason why I'm very pleased with what the Cubs have done with their minor league system. They have really emphasized building up the middle. They're very deep at both middle infield spots and centerfield. They aren't too increidbly strong at catcher, but they have some interesting players on the way.
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Scarey, am I correct to assume you mean Brett Jackson instead of Brandon?
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Why, oh why doesn't Scarey have a Cubs prospects blog?
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<!--quoteo(post=73522:date=Dec 31 2009, 11:18 AM:name=Ace)-->QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Why, oh why doesn't Scarey have a Cubs prospects blog?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually started one up, but life has been complicated and I decided to hold off on blogging and pimping it till the 2010 baseball season.
And yes Cold, I did mean Brett. I always wanna call him Brandon for some reason. Corrections have been made.
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<!--quoteo(post=73525:date=Dec 31 2009, 10:22 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 31 2009, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73522:date=Dec 31 2009, 11:18 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Why, oh why doesn't Scarey have a Cubs prospects blog?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I actually started one up, but life has been complicated and I decided to hold off on blogging and pimping it till the 2010 baseball season.
And yes Cold, I did mean Brett. I always wanna call him Brandon for some reason. Corrections have been made.
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Scarey and Ace, this is just a suggestion and is really none of my business, but you guys should really work something out to start a prospect page at Bleacher Nation run by Scarey to take advantage of the audience Ace has already captured and increase it going forward.
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<!--quoteo(post=73512:date=Dec 31 2009, 08:20 AM:name=Rappster)-->QUOTE (Rappster @ Dec 31 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73506:date=Dec 31 2009, 07:50 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 31 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73504:date=Dec 31 2009, 08:31 AM:name=Runnys)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runnys @ Dec 31 2009, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scarey...I do not have time to look and I know that you are really knowledgeable regarding the Cubs current minor league system. So my question is this....who are the top OF prospects in the system right now? I know there is Colvin and Burke, but beyond that who else is there?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Brett Jackson (top pick in 2009) is on top of the list. A lot of folks around these parts would not include Colvin in the top 30 Cubs prospects at this time.
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Ace...don't say "a lot of folks". That's not taking ownership of your opinion.
You've got to start doing that...
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Serious question: Have you ever contributed anything useful to a conversation? Ever?
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