Kiss Winning the NL Central Goodbye

[rok]

I doubt it would change the quality of the product on the field, though substance abuse by our players might go up. Let the good times roll...

[HTC]

Just saying but they were booing Holliday just a couple of weeks ago.

[Butcher]

Yup. They do their fair share of booing, too.

[veryzer]

<!--quoteo(post=99764:date=Jun 3 2010, 02:18 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jun 3 2010, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Yup. They do their fair share of booing, too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


All fans of all teams do. Everywhere. All the time.

[HTC]

Pretty much four guys are off limits from booing in St. Louis. Carpenter, Wainwright, Molina and Pujols. The rest are fair game.

[offcolorpoetry]

You want to know what I hate about Cardinals fans? They don't know shit about baseball.

All they know is that Albert Pujols hits a shitton of home runs, and they live under this constant illusion that Yadier Molina is the greatest catcher in the history of everything. Until, you know, they get a new catcher. Then he'll be the greatest catcher ever.

[mindbodyspirit]

<!--quoteo(post=100326:date=Jun 7 2010, 09:37 PM:name=Gracie)-->QUOTE (Gracie @ Jun 7 2010, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->You want to know what I hate about Cardinals fans? They don't know shit about baseball.

All they know is that Albert Pujols hits a shitton of home runs, and they live under this constant illusion that Yadier Molina is the greatest catcher in the history of everything. Until, you know, they get a new catcher. Then he'll be the greatest catcher ever.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Yadier Molina is somewhat inconsistent with a bat in his hands & has below average lind drive power, but he is undoubtedly the best defensive catcher of the last 5 years in MLB. I personally take great pleasure in watching St. Louis lose, and I think their fans drink a little too much of the red Kool-Aid. That said, valuing Molina too highly isn't a problem for them. Any team not playing in Minnesota (Mauer) would be darn lucky to have him. He's certainly a top 3 in baseball position player, like it or not. Soto isn't in his league, even with his outstanding rookie campaign... so I think as Cubs' fans we shouldn't judge St. Loius fans their love of Molina. There are so MANY better things to judge them for. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

[rok]

I'd take McCann or Martin over Molina any day of the week.

[Coldneck]

<!--quoteo(post=100360:date=Jun 8 2010, 09:39 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jun 8 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd take McCann or Martin over Molina any day of the week.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you paid any attention to their recent numbers? Martin has been pretty shitty the last two years. McCann is great, but having a down year. Yadi is pretty fucking good. I think I'd also rather have McCann for a number of factors, but the gap is not that great between the two. Sometimes you just have to give respect where respect is due.

[rok]

<!--quoteo(post=100371:date=Jun 8 2010, 10:30 AM:name=Coldneck)-->QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jun 8 2010, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=100360:date=Jun 8 2010, 09:39 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jun 8 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd take McCann or Martin over Molina any day of the week.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you paid any attention to their recent numbers? Martin has been pretty shitty the last two years. McCann is great, but having a down year. Yadi is pretty fucking good. I think I'd also rather have McCann for a number of factors, but the gap is not that great between the two. Sometimes you just have to give respect where respect is due.
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McCann is still OPSing at 800+ while his OBP is 30 points higher than last season. I'm not changing my mind on him.

Martin, on the other hand, I knew had a poor 2009. I didn't realize how mediocre he's been this season as well, but I think he can turn it around. I'll give you Molina over Martin for now.

That said, I just don't trust any Cards players not named Pujols once they leave STL. Molina does nothing for me aside from his defensive game.